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OK a bona fide poker question...

Post: # 40513Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 1:00 am

So, I will be commentating some upcoming LPPL games (GOLD especially)

I had a negative comment on one of my last ones (they didn't read it out to me and I didn't get to see it until it was over) But I am still sticking to my guns.

If it was you... Tell me your answer to the troller.. "you are folding AK to stay ahead, and you are supposed to be a poker player?"

I told the story of a few nights before.. folding AK from 1st place to an all in that responded to my raise.

I am 1st ... if I call and lose I am at best 7th ... All in had about 2 3rd of my stack size.

Are you flipping for your position here?

(Deep in about 2 from bubble)
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Re: OK a bonifde poker question...

Post: # 40515Post bilthebandit
July 1st, 2020, 1:18 am

Fold with A high is fine done it many times not as many times as i have called with it tho.

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Post: # 40517Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 1:21 am

bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:18 am
Fold with A high is fine done it many times not as many times as i have called with it tho.
We have all folded with A high ... can/would you flip for your position here is the question?

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Post: # 40520Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 2:33 am

This, for me, is the difference between a good player and a bad/ok one.

I may even marry the perfect answer (so let the wife know before you speak)

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Re: OK a bonifde poker question...

Post: # 40521Post silverfox46
July 1st, 2020, 8:27 am

dont have a problem, folding AK, in that position, after all it's only a drawing hand,albeit a good one, 2 off the bubble you need to be making bets not calling all ins. hope this answer is wrong by the way. :hide:

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Post: # 40522Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 10:04 am

ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:21 am
bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:18 am
Fold with A high is fine done it many times not as many times as i have called with it tho.
We have all folded with A high ... can/would you flip for your position here is the question?

Can I just ask why you keep saying flip for your position? Bone Fide question: did he show you his pair before you made your decision?

There are certainly many occasions where folding is acceptable with AK. Probably need a bit more information to decide here. Please don't SHOUT a reply.

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Re: OK a bonifde poker question...

Post: # 40523Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 10:05 am

silverfox46 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 8:27 am
dont have a problem, folding AK, in that position, after all it's only a drawing hand,albeit a good one, 2 off the bubble you need to be making bets not calling all ins. hope this answer is wrong by the way. :hide:
Not drawing if it is up against AQ/AJ. Just saying.

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Re: OK a bonifde poker question...

Post: # 40525Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 11:53 am

richlizard wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 10:04 am
ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:21 am
bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 1:18 am
Fold with A high is fine done it many times not as many times as i have called with it tho.
We have all folded with A high ... can/would you flip for your position here is the question?

Can I just ask why you keep saying flip for your position? Bone Fide question: did he show you his pair before you made your decision?

There are certainly many occasions where folding is acceptable with AK. Probably need a bit more information to decide here. Please don't SHOUT a reply.
I didn’t have my crystal ball so let me rephrase ... I didn’t want to flip for my position. Oh...

Ok maybe I wasn’t. Maybe. Or maybe I was up against the same hand? So I am risking all that for a split?

He was a she BTW (Though not a Doctor)

I later discovered she is ultra agg. (She has become a member of AR from the LPPL) Would this change my mind? I don’t think so. This now is all about luck .. I have none of that.

Tell me what else you need other than I raised from early position x2.5 she fired it in from mid position and it folded back round to me.

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Post: # 40526Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 12:31 pm

ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:53 am


Tell me what else you need other than I raised from early position x2.5 she fired it in from mid position and it folded back round to me.

Then I say this is a good raise, good shove and good fold.

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Post: # 40527Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 12:36 pm

richlizard wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 12:31 pm
ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:53 am


Tell me what else you need other than I raised from early position x2.5 she fired it in from mid position and it folded back round to me.

Then I say this is a good raise, good shove and good fold.
Ok.

Thanks

When are you available for the wedding?

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Post: # 40528Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 12:44 pm

Can I just add .. if you listen to the commentary back ... you can read what the guy in the chat said. But it was more than that. My co commentators were not finding that fold either.

I was the only one. The only one. So I questioned myself for a while. I would of called if I was lower down in position, they just didn’t seem to understand this.

But reality struck ...they are pub league players, no offence intended, there are some very good ones.

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Post: # 40529Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 12:54 pm

PPS

I can’t marry Foxy as his answer doesn’t count .. he’s always folding everything here (bar pocket aces) and proudly showing everyone. :hide:

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Post: # 40532Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 3:56 pm

ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 12:44 pm
Can I just add .. if you listen to the commentary back ... you can read what the guy in the chat said. But it was more than that. My co commentators were not finding that fold either.
What commentary, there was no link!

If there is viewing material, things might change of course. Wedding on hold.

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Post: # 40533Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 4:44 pm

richlizard wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:56 pm
ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 12:44 pm
Can I just add .. if you listen to the commentary back ... you can read what the guy in the chat said. But it was more than that. My co commentators were not finding that fold either.
What commentary, there was no link!

If there is viewing material, things might change of course. Wedding on hold.

:o :o :o

I have just spent the last few hours choosing my dress .. blood-red satin with long black gloves and black roses all down the train :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVnPUbK ... pp=desktop

You might want to wind forward lol I have no idea where it is at but I hate hearing my own voice so I ain't gonna look for it.

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Post: # 40534Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 4:53 pm

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There is part of the chat ... hes obv a know it all.

Is he a member here? :hide:

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Post: # 40536Post Theadder4
July 1st, 2020, 5:20 pm

the game you are talking about angie,was it not the case their was only 1 place paid [a vegas package] ? or is this another game ?

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Post: # 40537Post bilthebandit
July 1st, 2020, 5:24 pm

Useful info for WWYD

Game type and buyin
Blinds
Action
chipstacks
Table dynamics
State of play ie ITM Bubble early doors ect

Should be at least 4 of these at a min and the more info the better.

But seems like a blatant "will you marry me" proposal type thread disguised as a WWYD haha.

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Post: # 40538Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 5:26 pm

Theadder4 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:20 pm
the game you are talking about angie,was it not the case their was only 1 place paid [a vegas package] ? or is this another game ?
No. just a normal league game As I said we were a few off the bubble. It was something we were talking about while the Vegas final was going on.

I wanted as many points as possible ofc and all the money :lol:

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Post: # 40539Post Theadder4
July 1st, 2020, 5:28 pm

if it was another game,with a big stack I would be calling with ak everytime,if I hit ime in a great position,if I lose ime in 7th place and would still prob make the money.
with a low stack I would also be calling with ak,only reason I would fold it is if the min cash was really large ,and I needed the money,and was trying to hang on for that,if there was a few lower stacks still in the game than me.

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Post: # 40540Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 5:32 pm

bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:24 pm
Useful info for WWYD

Game type and buyin £5 rebuy
Blinds 500/1000 (ish)
Action already stated above
chipstacks she about 75k me 120k ish
Table dynamics middling to agg
State of play ie ITM Bubble early doors ect (couple off the bubble)

Should be at least 4 of these at a min and the more info the better.

But seems like a blatant "will you marry me" proposal type thread disguised as a WWYD haha.

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Post: # 40541Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 5:34 pm

Theadder4 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:28 pm
if it was another game,with a big stack I would be calling with ak everytime,if I hit ime in a great position,if I lose ime in 7th place and would still prob make the money.
with a low stack I would also be calling with ak,only reason I would fold it is if the min cash was really large ,and I needed the money,and was trying to hang on for that,if there was a few lower stacks still in the game than me.
I would have almost been last. And more about points than money.

The games this week now ALL have a golden ticket for 1st place so that may become more sat like.

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Post: # 40542Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 5:38 pm

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Some people are not good enough to fold big cards and some people just are.

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Post: # 40543Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 5:47 pm

ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:32 pm
bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:24 pm
Useful info for WWYD

Game type and buyin £5 rebuy
Blinds 500/1000 (ish)
Action already stated above
chipstacks she about 75k me 120k ish
Table dynamics middling to agg
State of play ie ITM Bubble early doors ect (couple off the bubble)

Should be at least 4 of these at a min and the more info the better.

But seems like a blatant "will you marry me" proposal type thread disguised as a WWYD haha.

With this information, I may sway towards the call.

Would Miss aggro shove 75x BB with a hand that dominates AK? Highly unlikely. But the biggest thing for me now is if you win (likely) you will have an absolute monster stack. If you lose, you have a big stack.

Position in a tournament is of no relevance at all unless there is a power outage at the host server and places are paid on current positions. 45x BB is still a big stack imo and couple with the daft overshove of 75x BB... it is now a call for me.

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Post: # 40544Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 6:00 pm

richlizard wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:47 pm
ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:32 pm
bilthebandit wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 5:24 pm
Useful info for WWYD

Game type and buyin £5 rebuy
Blinds 500/1000 (ish)
Action already stated above
chipstacks she about 75k me 120k ish
Table dynamics middling to agg
State of play ie ITM Bubble early doors ect (couple off the bubble)

Should be at least 4 of these at a min and the more info the better.

But seems like a blatant "will you marry me" proposal type thread disguised as a WWYD haha.

With this information, I may sway towards the call.

Would Miss aggro shove 75x BB with a hand that dominates AK? Highly unlikely. But the biggest thing for me now is if you win (likely) you will have an absolute monster stack. If you lose, you have a big stack.

Position in a tournament is of no relevance at all unless there is a power outage at the host server and places are paid on current positions. 45x BB is still a big stack imo and couple with the daft overshove of 75x BB... it is now a call for me.
I can see where you are coming from and I see a lot of people never folding AK anyway but these players are some of the worst ever so there is no rhyme nor reason for their bet sizing etc.

I played one this afternoon and one of my flags said "plays 6 2 off OOP" She managed to get loads of chips today then next min she was out.

So it's pointless trying to see it from how or why you would play a hand coz there is absolutely NO comparison.

I also think the blinds must have been somewhat higher as it was late stages but I just can not remember. I am actually not a fan of the LPPL structures and allows for all the bingo. I would much rather play the hand than spin it. Had I been more committed to it I would have gone with it but way happier to get off it and keep ahead for now.

I also think (though we have never spoke of it) if Muffin had fewer chips he would have gone for gold there with the KK. I respect that discipline way more than a good call.

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Post: # 40545Post silverfox46
July 1st, 2020, 6:04 pm

ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 12:54 pm
PPS

I can’t marry Foxy as his answer doesn’t count .. he’s always folding everything here (bar pocket aces) and proudly showing everyone. :hide:
PHEW!!! was worried there ffs. :help:

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Post: # 40546Post ladymucky
July 1st, 2020, 6:49 pm

silverfox46 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:04 pm
ladymucky wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 12:54 pm
PPS

I can’t marry Foxy as his answer doesn’t count .. he’s always folding everything here (bar pocket aces) and proudly showing everyone. :hide:
PHEW!!! was worried there ffs. :help:
Tough luck, I have been jilted at the altar. :cry:

Get your coat, you've pulled. :mrgreen:

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Post: # 40548Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 6:54 pm

Proper bad beat right there Foxy.

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Post: # 40549Post bilthebandit
July 1st, 2020, 6:58 pm

Foxy been outplayed and forced to go allin.

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Post: # 40554Post T_F_L_S
July 1st, 2020, 7:52 pm

I remember our live forum game in Birmingham. I was doing well on the first table and had twice the average stack. Bill the bandit shoved opposite me with half my chip stack. I insta called with AK. He had 66 and spiked the third 6 on the flop. We came 10th and 9th in the end.

I also called a short stack shove in the same tourney with jq off and won against 55 I can't remember whether it was Lizard or Harry!

I also called a positional shove from Scuffs on the final table as it was only 2.5 big blinds. he had kj I had 10 6 off he won the tourney!!!

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Post: # 40555Post richlizard
July 1st, 2020, 8:12 pm

T_F_L_S wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 7:52 pm
I remember our live forum game in Birmingham. I was doing well on the first table and had twice the average stack

Then I got totally blootered... :angel:

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